We Escape From Guantanamo Bay | Super Meat Boy, Plate Up + More

Gerry (00:00.366)
Yeah, that's like every metalcore song from like the mid 2000s was just like some guy being like, you're going to listen to me, you dumb fuck. And it's like, like, as soon as the sample ends is just like a break.

Aaron (00:16.602)
Like, damn. Damn. And it'll be like time for Tubby bye bye. And then it'll just be like the nastiest shit on the planet.

Gerry (00:26.67)
Dude, don't

Gerry (00:30.862)
kinda miss the crab walk. Dude. When dudes would just like get...

Aaron (00:34.734)
going to be. Yeah, they'll get real low and they'll be like, I can't, I can't do it all. Yeah, like

Gerry (00:50.449)
Welcome back to Super Ghost. Here's our first guest, Greg.

Aaron (01:00.248)
Come on in, Greg.

Gerry (01:01.644)
No, no, no, no, no,

Aaron (01:09.912)
gruesome twosome. We're back to gruesome twosome.

Gerry (01:12.974)
Yeah

Aaron (01:17.486)
You hear in a ghost or something?

Gerry (01:21.266)
So, well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. As we were entering this studio tonight, we were thinking like, what do we want to talk about? And I said, you know what? I'm mad about a lot of things. So let's just have a bitch fest. Let's just get some shit off our chests.

I think that might be the best thing to do. So yeah, complaining is cool. Just like secondhand smoke. So I say, let's talk about some things that are grinding our gears right now with games. Last episode was a full on void cast because I was not prepared. And I mean, I'm about as prepared this time as I was last time.

Aaron (01:50.894)
any rules.

Aaron (01:59.096)
care.

Gerry (02:18.158)
Just because I I was it was like a very will they won't they all show up at all for this podcast this evening, but Here we are Now that said There's some news super important breaking news

Aaron (02:29.568)
Here we are.

Aaron (02:37.215)
is there.

Gerry (02:43.214)
I don't know. Did you do you have anything you would like to add to the forum? Right? No, Mr.

Aaron (02:51.148)
I've got two, well, so.

Gerry (02:54.242)
I would like you to say those two things because I'm going to mix myself a water and crystal light. fancy.

Aaron (03:02.446)
Ooh, getting real... getting real saucy. Okay, well, the first one is... So they just, today, released the Switch 2 version of Xenoblade Chronicles X. A fucking week after I bought the game. Because I was holding out for a Switch 2 edition for so long, I was like, surely it's coming. And then finally... Now you can, but like, before I was like...

Gerry (03:05.365)
No ketamine to be f-

Gerry (03:27.093)
Okay, just buy the upgrade.

Aaron (03:32.226)
Before I like before last week before last week I was like surely there's a switch to version coming and then finally I gave in bought a copy of the game and and then

Gerry (03:43.95)
Right, so you bought the switch one,

Aaron (03:45.838)
Switch one version. Yeah, I bought that last week.

Gerry (03:49.678)
Right. So you're not screwed out of like an upgrade, right? Like you can still buy the upgrade package thing for $32 Canadian, which gets you what? 60 frames?

Aaron (04:01.634)
Five bucks here,

Gerry (04:05.174)
Is it only five? Maybe it's only five bucks. Maybe it's only five bucks here too. No, well, it wouldn't be five bucks here. It would be like something.

Aaron (04:11.886)
return?

Gerry (04:17.217)
I'm not sure. I'll have to look that up, but keep it rolling. Keep rolling, rolling,

Aaron (04:23.222)
Rolling rolling rolling. Yeah. so yeah, that's cool. So I guess yeah now I just had to pay the measly old five dollars and I can get the the upgrade pack and Was it you get 4k you get 60 FPS? Which I feel like the game should have fucking had from the start cuz like the the game the world in this game is fucking Massive like you thought the world from one or two is massive

Gerry (04:48.942)
I've heard that it is pretty big.

Aaron (04:53.038)
Like you can fly around in your little mech suits you get like a spaceship later on and you can cruise around the world like it's just it's

Gerry (05:02.51)
I've always been really intrigued by this game. I'll be honest, like I've always wanted to play this game and I probably will buy it now because I've always said like even like I've tried, I've seen what the Switch one version looks like and like plays like on Switch. Not bad. And it was, it still was.

Aaron (05:20.974)
to.

Aaron (05:24.67)
A lot better I'm surprised they even got that fucker running on the Wii U to be honest like the draw distance was Super super bad like they would draw shit in like maybe two feet in front of you. It was it was really bad

Gerry (05:43.468)
Yeah. Did you know that the that Dow is at 50,000? That was that was another thing.

Aaron (05:52.722)
Cool. I don't know what that means for me, but hell yeah. Good for Dow.

Gerry (05:59.02)
Yep, that was at $50,000.

Aaron (06:00.302)
The other thing I had was the whole Blue Point closure. That's cool. hooray for closed studios.

Gerry (06:12.654)
That's part of the reason why I wanted to do a bitch fest tonight because it's just like...

Aaron (06:16.268)
Yeah.

Gerry (06:20.482)
Sony, what are we doing? What the fuck are we doing out there? Like what is happening? Why are we getting rid of studios that are making good games?

Aaron (06:30.542)
Their first mistake was having blue point develop a god of war live service game Yeah That was probably not a good idea that probably like they probably sank a ton of money into that and they were like listen guys This just is not gonna make a return for us you're all canned and That sucks. I feel like there's a shit ton of ps2 games that they could remake there's a shit ton of ps3 games they could remake

Gerry (06:58.882)
There's, yeah, there's one of them I think that people have been kind of clamoring for. don't know, maybe, maybe you get them to do that, maybe get them to do the Bloodborne remake that took a fucking emulator on PC to actually make that a reality. By the way, Bloodborne on PC through an emulator is really fucking good these days. Like, really, really, really. So if you can do it, do it.

Aaron (07:25.774)
They could also remake Legend of... Well, no, Legend of Dragoon would fucking take a long time. That's like three whole discs. Maybe not that one.

Gerry (07:37.782)
Yeah. I would like to see something come of Legend of Dragoon, even though I've barely played it. Beth has played it, I think, through. I think. I don't know. I'd have to ask her. But I think she has. I think she's played in B deck.

Aaron (07:46.35)
I don't think anything will come of it.

Aaron (07:58.798)
It's cool. It's cool game. Yeah, I man I love it so much from when big companies come up with stupid fucking ideas and then make a studio get on that shit and then the studio Like just doesn't I don't know. I don't know what their thought process was with the god of war live service game I don't understand how they thought they were gonna make money back on that cuz that's just Stupid fucking idea like I don't know. I don't know. What do you think man?

Gerry (08:31.63)
I don't know I I don't I Don't like when studios get close That actually make That actually make good games Blue point was incredible at doing those ports Demon Souls was great that shadow of the Colossus like like

Aaron (08:40.238)
Yeah, I definitely don't that was that was

Gerry (09:00.172)
You know, people, I've heard people argue like, well, like, they're not really, like, they're porting games. It's like, yeah, but like, they're doing an incredible job at doing it. And it's not just a port. Like, they are kind of revamping it a little bit.

Aaron (09:07.48)
Yeah.

Gerry (09:21.324)
Yeah. The thing that I was going to bring up is just the absolute doom talk online about how Steam Machine is dead on arrival or not even coming out anymore. What the fuck? Yeah, because Valve kind of made a statement, which was was interesting.

There's some stuff with this, but they made a statement along the lines of, have to delay this because we still don't know what we're going to do about what's happening with the AI tax that's happening. If you didn't know already, AI is fucking over everything, which will go perfectly with our little bitch fest here this evening.

Aaron (10:18.91)
I also saw this is just like a mini thing before you get into your thing. Yeah, I saw that Yeah, well cool. I'm just gonna shove this in here, and then we can just walk around it But I saw that Google is gonna There's there's some parts of like Google Docs and sheets and shit that they're gonna lock behind a $20 paywall That has something to do with Gemini. Yeah, it's some some AI Gemini

Gerry (10:24.589)
This is my thing. I'm already

Aaron (10:43.63)
garbage features that they're going to lock behind a $20 a month paywall. So that's

Take it to do with that information what you will I kind of don't give a shit because it's Gemini shit

Gerry (10:57.494)
Listen, company, big tech companies, you listen up, pal. You want to lose me? That's how you do it. You just tell me that there's a cost associated to your free products for AI. That's how you lose me. And once you lose me, I'll never.

Aaron (11:19.822)
It's like when you go into like chat GPT to just ask it a question real quick about something you don't understand and it's like sorry, you're fucking free shit is over. Do you want to pay for whatever? I'm like, no, I don't give a shit if it's stupider. Like it's still smarter than me

Gerry (11:33.496)
So my wife, here's the thing. My wife has the pro version, because it gets paid for by her work. Because her, dude, this is a side conversation right now, okay? I gotta have a little talk. I won't disclose where she works or anything, but I'll just say that her boss called her on the weekend.

For starters, just to add to the bitch fest, when you're not working, that's your time. Don't do that to people. Don't call people on their days off to talk about work.

Gerry (12:19.938)
That's, I mean, that's already the first part that irks me. He called because he had to discuss something that was going on anyways. was, I mean, it was relevant. But then, after that, he was like, okay, point number two, we gotta go all in on AI. Like, we gotta go all in on AI, man. Like, now is the time. And I'm just, like, I don't know, I'm fiddling around with something in the basement here, and she was in the basement too.

And I'm just looking at her going, what the fuck? Like I'm doing the Tom DeLong from that music video where he goes, I'm doing that to her. I'm doing that to her and just being like, what is this guy talking about? And like, it sounded like somebody who just realized what you could do with AI. And now he's like, it's smarter than me. And it's like, yeah, like what do you mean? Google is smarter than you.

Aaron (12:55.628)
Yeah, dude.

Gerry (13:18.594)
What the fuck are we talking about? My goddamn PS2 is smarter than you at this point. Like, what are you talking about? Like, and then it was like a whole thing of like, he... He literally said...

How much time do you spend using AI? And she was like, I don't know, like maybe half an hour a day, like for work stuff. And he was like, do an hour. Like he wants to increase the amount of AI that's being used. And I'm like.

I want to pull my own head off and throw it in a river. Like I hate everything about that. And I said, I said to my wife, I was like, you know that like basically what he's saying is like, I want you to train this thing to replace.

Aaron (14:00.398)
Yup.

Aaron (14:11.88)
I want you to use your brain is what I want you to think for one hour less Just turn your brain off and just push buttons ask the computer

Gerry (14:23.884)
And then this motherfucker goes, that's the fun part of your job. This is the fun part where you get to talk to AI. That's the fun. Isn't it fun? Isn't it fun? Corporate pizza parties for.

Aaron (14:34.574)
boy.

Aaron (14:40.596)
Everybody might as well just go push buttons on the fucker You might as well go push buttons on the vending machine for an hour straight you're getting the same fucking results. That's so stupid

Gerry (14:43.246)
It doesn't work for corporate.

Gerry (14:53.006)
I the sad reality is like, I hate AI, but I'm also a hypocrite because I use it. But I don't use it like, I'm not using it to be like, all right, now, make this overweight person careen off of a fucking mountaintop on a unicycle and let's just, yeah, make that video. Let's drain a fucking river to make that video. Let's do that.

I'm literally usually arguing with it and telling it how stupid it is. I swear to God, I've said this before, I'll go on record. If they start to give AI rights, you're so up. Jerry's going to jail. I'm going to jail. There will be AI hate crimes against me because I hate AI. And it pisses me off because

Aaron (15:36.639)
So.

Aaron (15:46.904)
you.

Gerry (15:51.214)
Especially where I've been doing a fairly extensive project of trying to do a DIY steam machine. And the whole news thing that I brought up is why. Is because I literally told myself, look, if this thing comes out, if we get a date and a price that makes sense, that's like, I don't know, like $1,000 Canadian. I wasn't expecting this thing to be a $500 console.

Like if it's like $1,000 Canadian, so that's like, I don't know, it's probably like $8.99 for you or something. If it's in that price point, you know what? I'd be interested in checking it out. But I was kind of telling myself, like, I need a date that's like around March. If I don't see that soon, then I'm just gonna pull the trigger, I'm gonna make my own. So that's what I've been doing. So I've been using AI to help me with that. But Jesus Christ.

Is it stupid? Like, I don't know how many times I've had to reinstall Bazite because it completely slopified my whole setup. it, for like, I'd be like, hey, I wanna be able to wake this up with Bluetooth. And it's like, you bet! Let's fuckin' strip down everything, go into your bios, let's change a bunch of shit that I have no idea what we're doing. And it's just like.

It's just like, it's like you asked a crazy person off of the street to come in and be like, hey, so you're an engineer, right? Okay, you designed this building. And then they just come in and they're throwing cats at people and like yelling and shit. And it's just like, yes, this will be the greatest building ever built. That's what it feels like. Like it's just, it's like, it's being ran by on a Ferris wheel that have ate way too much cotton candy.

So I just yell at it all the time. I yell at it a lot. I will say though, recently when I wasn't getting the answers I wanted out of AI and after yelling at it and calling it stupid and calling out for its slop, I tried out Claude.

Aaron (18:04.27)
I've seen commercials for anthropic

Gerry (18:06.254)
Yeah, mean it's still AI it's still still the goddamn devil, but it's a little less flashy Versus Chat GPT or Gemini it's very much like just to the point. It doesn't really have a personality Whereas like chat GPT is like give it a personality. That's like

Fuck outta here with that.

Aaron (18:34.99)
Gemini is still fucking stupid though. Like I sort of got any time I try to ask Gemini something it'll be like you bet and then it'll give me like the sloppiest slop answer ever and it's the it's the equivalent of like if you asked Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite a question he'd be like sure man let's go do fuck and do whatever and then it's just Fuck like I'll use chat GPT

And I'll be like, hey, what's some cool title ideas for an episode like this for Chillscape? And it'll be like, cool, here's some ideas. And they'll be like.

Gerry (19:11.264)
And I bet you don't use a single-

Aaron (19:13.108)
Like a fucking paragraph long. It's like

Gerry (19:16.654)
That's the thing, man. Usually, when I'm like, hey, I need an idea for a thing, it'll give me a bunch of shit. I'm like, no, no, no, none of this stuff. And then I just end up thinking of it on my own, like, every single time. And it's like kind of the same thing with doing this Steam Machine project. Like, there's been so many times where I've been like, no, this is not what I fucking want to happen. I just need this to happen. I'm like, wait, let me use some logic here. Click, click, click.

now it does the thing I wanted it to do. but wait, oops, gotta reinstall the whole OS because I slopped it up. Slop it up,

Aaron (19:53.486)
Peace!

Gerry (19:55.694)
Holy shit. Anyways, steam machines are delayed until mid-26. was a long way around, but we got there.

Aaron (20:02.03)
Here

Gerry (20:16.362)
Okay, so.

Gerry (20:21.368)
There's some things. You I wanted to talk about some of the games that I've been playing, like we usually do. But when I started thinking about that, I was like, you know what? I'm just, so mad right now. I'm so mad by how insulting it is sometimes to be a gamer in the year 2026.

Just because like, god damn it. Like... Okay.

I've been looking forward to playing High on Life 2. I thought the first one was really good. I enjoyed it. Despite, you know, Justin Roiland's problematic...

Aaron (21:19.649)
Yeah, I guess

Gerry (21:21.454)
that game. Here's the thing, he still made the game funny. Like he's good at doing voices. And it does feel like not having him on High on Life 2, you can kind of tell. Because like Knifey, did you

Aaron (21:38.734)
No, I saw a couple videos, but not a lot.

Gerry (21:44.632)
pretty good. And it's pretty goddamn funny. Like just the whole intro of that game has you like playing a tutorial level of another game in like first person and the guy is like talking about how like he didn't want to be the voiceover telling you what to do and like he's just complaining about how his wife left him and shit. And then like you get to like this gap and he's like, Yeah, just use the use the double jump. Yeah.

You just press A twice. And then when you go to jump and the double jump doesn't work, he's like, fuck. Never, nevermind. We didn't actually put that in the game. There is no double jump. So like, shit like that. And honestly, one of the hardest times I've ever laughed at a video game was in High on Life 1. There was just this dude standing in like the main hub area. And I like go over to him and he's like, hey, hey, can you watch my bike?

I need to go to the drug store and get my pills. Can you watch my bike for me? And then like you if you say yes, he's like, OK, I'm just going to go over there. But like, make sure no one takes my bike, man. It's all I got left. So like the dude walks away off screen and then you're like it won't let you move. Like you're just like able to look around. So I'm like watching this bike and I'm like looking around like, OK, well, like, what do do? So I like look over.

away from the bike, like to see where he is. And then when I look back, the bike's gone. And then he shows up and he's like, hey man, what the fuck, where's my bike, man? Like shit like that. You know, like it's a very humorous game. And I really, I really, really wanted High on Life 2 to just fucking do the same thing. And it does, for the most part. I mean,

Even just like the intro of the game is hilarious. It's well written, comedically, because that was the thing that I used to always say too, like that Justin Roiland, had a funny voice. He was good at making funny voices. He himself wasn't, he wasn't like the mastermind behind what made Rick and Morty and what made, you know, High on Life funny or Accounting Plus Plus or

Gerry (24:08.43)
Trover Saves the Universe. All these games, like, they're all funny, but they all have writers. Like, it wasn't just him. But you can tell that there's something missing from High on Life 2. The thing that's missing the most, though, is fucking optimization.

Aaron (24:14.625)
Yeah, you know?

Gerry (24:26.828)
What the fuck are we doing? Like, Unreal 5 strikes again, where a game is released and it feels like hot dog shit coming out of a fucking cat's mouth. Like, it does not play well. I have a beefy computer, too. Like, I have a good fucking computer. I have a 9070 XT, which is a brand new card. It's not like...

I don't have like a 5090 or something, but I've even heard reports that 5090s are struggling to keep 60 frames per second in 4K. Which is absurd. This game should not be this demanding at all. Like it looks good, yes. Unreal 5 does look good, but at the cost of it always fucking tanking your performance. The through line here though is that it's not just on PC.

Most times I'm used to like PC ports being just fucking dog shit. There's a few exceptions. Most times it's, you you gotta stick it through or you just gotta have really high end stuff because it's just not optimized. But it sounds like the discourse online is that this game is fucked on everything. Like it struggles everywhere. And that's the developers fault. And you know what? Shame on you, Squanch Games. You should be better.

You have a lot to prove, I think, with High on Life 2. You have a good formula for a game, those games are, don't know, Aaron, I don't know why you have not played this game, because it is kinda like a Metroidvania in a weird way. you get different types of guns that do different types of, like, it's, you should really play High on Life.

You of all people would really like especially the the humor of the game you would be fucking rolling on the floor, dude

Aaron (26:32.462)
If it's still on Game Pass, I will.

Gerry (26:36.59)
I think High Life 1 is still on Game Pass. I know High Life 2 just came out on Game Pass. It was kind of funny. My friend who is also excited to play this game, he launched it on Game Pass and it froze his entire computer.

Aaron (26:41.71)
Okay.

Aaron (26:53.582)
That's not a good sign.

Gerry (26:56.782)
I don't know what it does on what it do. I don't know what it do on on consoles, but yeah, I had no issues running it. Like once I I literally was just like press play game launched. No problem. None whatsoever. And it was like a solid hundred and twenty frames for me in 1440. But but that was in a very isolated

Aaron (27:21.452)
shit.

Gerry (27:27.018)
spot as soon as I got to the first level dude.

just fucking nosedive. I couldn't understand what was happening once I got to like the first level. And it was like, cause I usually always have like when I, when I'm first launching a game and playing a game for the first time, I usually put like the frames up in the corner just so I can keep an eye on it to make sure that I'm, I'm able to optimize it as much as possible. And I am totally like a, I'll play it in 1440p to get 120 frames.

Aaron (27:36.257)
God damn.

Aaron (28:03.17)
Yeah.

Gerry (28:04.526)
Cause I'd rather that than 4k 60. That's just, that's just me. So I was playing at 1440, 120 frames per second. As soon as the first level starts and you just go through the portal and you come out and it dropped like 40 frames. I was like, why is this happening? This doesn't make sense. And then get, get a little further in the level. it's like, okay, it's kind of bouncing around between like 50 and 60.

So then I had to like go in the settings, took FSR down to like performance in 1440, which is like sub 1080p. And I was just like, this can't be allowed to happen anymore. Like what does it take? Like what is it gonna take for companies to be held accountable for the products that they put out? It's fucking insulting.

for someone to be like, hey, we know that you are gonna buy this game. It's a full-priced game. Like this is an $80 game, but doesn't really work that well. It's kind of like not cooked all the way through. You might get salmonella poisoning from it. But just give us the money and just carry on. Just pretend like it's good. Where does that end?

Aaron (29:16.451)
Yeah.

Gerry (29:30.99)
Like where, at what point are developers held accountable? Because it's getting to the point where I would start encouraging people, hey, you know what? Why don't you go ahead and pirate these games? Go ahead and pirate them. Because if companies want to insult us and the hard money that we make, well, how about we pirate your game, see if it actually fucking works, and then make the judgment call? You know what? Maybe not.

Maybe I don't buy this game because I'm tired of there being full price games coming out and buying them and then going, this doesn't fucking work. Like it just doesn't work. And the second, the second I see something with Unreal 5, I'm like,

RIP to another one.

Aaron (30:26.382)
Is Resident Evil 9 going to be, is that Unreal 5 or is that a different engine?

Gerry (30:32.174)
Nope, that's using their own re-engine, which is same engine that Street Fighter is in and Monster Hunter, they're all in that. Which, I mean, up until, I think literally last night when Greg messaged me and was like, finally, like he, because I guess Monster Hunter Wild's got a update finally for PC that like drastically fixed performance.

It is now a year after the initial release. Christ. What fuck are we doing? Why are we doing this? Like, now it's playable. Now it's serviceably playable, where it's not tanking performance. What the fuck? So nobody's off the line here. Like, I mean, I'll be the first to admit that I'll simp over Capcom and Konami and Nintendo and all these

Aaron (31:06.712)
Jesus Christ.

Gerry (31:32.066)
big companies that don't give a fuck about us. like, I don't know man, nobody's safe. I'm a little, I've pre-ordered Resident Evil 9 that comes out next week. A week from this recording, that game will be out. I'm praying, I'm praying that it doesn't run like a pile of garbage. But I don't know if that's...

wishful thinking. think I don't remember Resident Evil because I've bought and played the last on Resident Evil 8 to remake for remake 3 remake, which whatever, but all those I think they played fine. I don't really remember there being too bad of performance. I think Resident Evil

Think Resident Evil might have had some like traversal stuttering at first and I think maybe the HDR was like broken but I don't remember there being too many problems with that So I'm I'm hopeful that Resident Evil 9 will be optimized I Mean, I feel like gone are the days like I'll never forget seeing doom 2016

shone off at like, I don't know, whatever game awards it was. And I was like, there's no way that this game runs this good and looks that good. There's no fucking way. This is like, that's impossible. Game comes out and it runs like a hot knife through. Like that game runs good on everything. Like it's so well optimized. Same thing with Doom Eternal. Doom Eternal was crazy well.

Aaron (33:17.569)
Yeah.

Aaron (33:27.128)
Didn't Greg say that Dark Ages was also really well optimized? Like he didn't really have to tweak with it all that much?

Gerry (33:35.206)
Yeah, it's it's not bad. It's not quite as optimized as especially the first one. I'm probably not as much as the second one, but it's it's good. It's compared to a lot of shit that's out now. Yeah. That's like I'm also playing reanimal.

Gerry (33:57.582)
It's not bad it's but like for what that game is it just it doesn't make sense to me How demanding it is Do you know what I mean? Like it just doesn't really make sense like if I'm playing a game like reanimal and I crank all those settings up and I have like a brand new graphics card like cutting-edge graphics card and like my whole

My whole system is like pretty bleeding edge. But if I put everything at max on a game like Reanimal and I'm like barely getting 60 frames, something's up. I don't, I just.

Aaron (34:39.564)
Yeah, it'd be-

It'd be one thing if it was open world, semi open world, something with like a lot of moving shit or moving parts or whatever. But yeah, reanimal. That's just like self-contained levels that shouldn't be doing that shit.

Gerry (34:59.329)
By the way.

reanimal is

Aaron (35:05.474)
That's what I've seen. I've seen a couple screenshots of it.

Gerry (35:10.122)
It's I don't want to spoil anything really on that game because I feel like the whole the whole thing of that game is kind of like it's like going through a haunted house. You know, you go through the first time is really exciting. But if you know all like the jump scares and where everything is, it's not really. So that's why I don't really want to.

want to spoil much.

Aaron (35:39.0)
for them.

Gerry (35:40.142)
But it is, I'll say this though, it's not as good as Little Nightmares one or two. And I'm like, I'm like two thirds of the way through. And it's just, it's not, it's good. And it's fucked up. And it does some interesting, it definitely does some interesting things. But it's not, I don't know, it's not quite there.

I've been really disappointed with games lately,

Aaron (36:08.258)
Yeah, I think that's part of the main reason why I don't buy a whole lot of new games anymore if I do like always maybe a week to a month maybe more than that after they come out because like the last couple times I've either pre-ordered a new game or just bought a game as soon as it came out. I couldn't even tell you the last one. I'm trying to get like a non Nintendo one. But yeah, the last couple times I've

bought a brand new game when it comes out. I've just been like, this is all right. And yeah, so unless it's like Nintendo or a game I'm really, really looking forward to. I'll just wait. I'll wait till comes to game pass, get a cheap copy on eBay or something. I'm gonna fucking wait.

Gerry (36:58.424)
feel like the last time I felt like my money was the most deserved by anybody, it was for Silksong 2.

Aaron (37:07.394)
That's fair. It was what, 20 bucks? Damn.

Gerry (37:10.584)
Yeah, like, or I think it's like 30 or something. Still, like, played the game for like fucking 40 hours or something. Like, got my money's worth and it was an amazing game. I just, that's what I mean. Like, I just, I don't understand how these bigger games can justify the dollar amount that they're asking us to pay when it's

Aaron (37:14.798)
30 bucks in here.

Gerry (37:40.671)
not fully

Aaron (37:41.886)
Are the I mean I guess it just came out but are the studios like... Are they owning up to that shit? Like are they saying, hey we're aware of these issues and we're...

Gerry (37:54.158)
don't think so. Don't think. I think it's just kind of become like a normal thing where it's just like, yeah, well, it's not fully optimized for PC or, yeah, it's just, you know, it's just, it's stupid. There's just this stupid discourse about how it's like the normal thing now. Like you should just expect.

games to have traversal stutter. It's like, but they don't.

Aaron (38:28.236)
for PC like that's the main point of like getting it for PC because you want it to run the best like you want the best

Gerry (38:36.802)
That's the thing too, like, if you look back like 10 years ago, if you had a PC, like a gaming PC, a dedicated gaming PC, you knew for sure that you were gonna be like, yep, I'm playing the best goddamn version of this game. And it's gonna look way crazier than any console. It's not really the case anymore. I mean, at this point...

Gerry (39:03.27)
I, if I were starting off fresh, if I had to forfeit my entire game library on every single console.

I would start with a PS5 Pro.

because they're so goddamn close to being like a fairly good gaming PC now at this point. I just, I don't know. I think I would probably spend my money there.

Gerry (39:35.118)
That's, you know what, that's question for you. If you had to forfeit your entire gaming collection on every single platform and start fresh, where would you, like, for current gen right now, Switch, Xbox, Sony, or PlayStation, where do you put all your eggs? Which basket is it?

What is your starter program? Out of the three, starter program? Okay, hang on. Side quest. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft. Obviously Microsoft is grass type, right? Because it's green.

Aaron (40:19.47)
with

Oh, that's tough. I think so and then like maybe PlayStation Sony's no, no. All right. All right. So here's it. Okay, so Xbox is like Basically the redheaded stepchild console. It's like the last one everybody wants. I I'm an Xbox guy. I like Xbox Sorry, I'm a stepchild Xbox is like

Gerry (40:41.751)
And I'm a redhead.

Gerry (40:48.27)
it's a

Aaron (40:50.414)
It's way the fuck far behind. That's the one people pick last just like just like my boy Bulbasaur unfortunately, so Xbox Bulbasaur Yeah, um I hate to say but I think a lot of people I think I Would think Charmander is the PlayStation because it's that one that everybody's like oh, that's the best. Oh, that's so good That's the best but like secretly

Gerry (40:59.534)
I

Aaron (41:19.158)
Charmander can suck a dick. I don't give a shit. A lot of people love Charmander and Charizard I don't give a shit cuz I'm all about my boys Squirtle the underdog which would be Nintendo I'm also PlayStation Squirtle would be Nintendo because it's secretly The best and that's my answer for your other question. I would go right back to Nintendo because like I have a series X and It's cool and I have game pass and that's cool

But if a game comes out on every console, I'm going to Nintendo, number one, because I take that shit with me everywhere. I don't want to be tied. I'm always tied to my desk, god damn it. I want to take that shit to the couch in the living room and sit in the sun. I want to take that shit onto the bed. I want to take that shit into the fucking bathroom and take a nice crispy shit. I'm going take it outside in the hammock or something. Also, I don't know.

Like there's just something, something I love, like something simpler about like Nintendo. I don't know man. I'm gonna go with Nintendo, the Squirtle of the consoles.

Gerry (42:36.952)
So the way that my brain worked, was just like, well, Xbox is green, so that's Bulbasaur. Sony has blue in it-ish. So that's the broader type Pokemon. then Nintendo's red, so that was my fire type.

I didn't think about it as deeply as you.

Aaron (42:58.279)
Yeah, that just kind of like popped right into place. But yeah, I mean

Gerry (43:05.888)
So yeah, if you're completely forfeiting your library, you're going all in on Nintendo.

Aaron (43:12.832)
I so yeah because there's just a lot of it. There's so many Nintendo exclusives that I fucking I would need and I'm trying to think of like games that I would need on Xbox I can't really think of like any other than maybe blue dragon fucking maybe That's true. I Can't think of anything I would need on PlayStation either because like I haven't given a shit for the last like

Gerry (43:31.694)
Stimulated.

Aaron (43:39.896)
fucking three generations. don't give a shit about the three, the four, still don't really give a shit about the five, so.

Gerry (43:48.782)
Did you ever wonder what you're missing out on?

Aaron (43:50.894)
not really because I've got the Nantanda.

Gerry (43:53.519)
There's... But there's... There's some stuff.

Aaron (43:58.414)
That's what everybody says. They've been saying that. Stop it like dog. You got to play the blood borns and you got to play the fucking the last of us is and you got to play the uncharts dids. And I'm just like.

Gerry (44:01.141)
There's

Gerry (44:12.462)
Uncharted and Last of Us are like the easy ones that people just kind of go to when they want to win an argument for PlayStation.

Aaron (44:22.35)
guess God of War does look kinda fuckin' sweet now that I'm thinking about it.

Gerry (44:26.318)
That's what I was gonna say like there's ones that not, like mean God of War is kind of talked about as like the killer app and it's like yeah this is why you buy this shit. like yeah God of War and God of War Ragnarok.

Aaron (44:46.614)
Dude, fucking cool.

Gerry (44:48.728)
They're kind of a class above a lot of shit that I've ever played. Like, way above. Same thing with like, Stellar Blade is insanely good. And I know that you like a good character action game.

Aaron (45:05.166)
Because I'm Nintendo.

What? you can't ban Ban it at 2, motherfucker.

Gerry (45:11.458)
I said, Stellar Blade.

Aaron (45:14.008)
Talking about a character action game like why would I play? Stellar blade when I've got fucking bayonetta 2 and I've got Astral chain I've got

Gerry (45:26.9)
Astral Chain is a good game.

Gerry (45:32.737)
Are you waiting for a legacy?

Gerry (45:39.252)
the problem with that whole statement was like as it was coming out, I was like, I need to defend stellar blade. And I was like astral chip. No, that is a good game. Yep. That's a, that is a sort of

Aaron (45:49.89)
That's my whole thing is like for every game that you try to sell me on I'm just gonna be like well here's an equivalent I guess except for God of War Ragnarok though because like I can't think of anything that's like kind of similar to that in terms of

Gerry (46:09.282)
There's, well, I mean, like, you could find games that are similar. Like, I don't know if you're gonna get, you're not gonna get one that's as polished as that game. Like, they're insane. But even stuff like Demon's Souls, the Demon's Souls remake, that was great. We're just literally talking about Blue Point. Shadow of the Colossus remake, fantastic. You're not getting that on anything else.

Aaron (46:13.806)
Put a stop to

Gerry (46:39.216)
What else? Days Gone is actually way better than it deserves to

Aaron (46:47.266)
Yeah, I remember that getting like a six out of ten.

Gerry (46:52.125)
Yeah, I got a lot of shit and then I played it when I came to the plus library And I was like what the fuck's going on with this game? Why is this so good? I don't understand Like I thought this was supposed to be bad and like I couldn't couldn't put it down and I like the story like the characters like the like the gameplay It wasn't like this big massive Stupid open world like it was it was a it was a no world, but it didn't it didn't feel like as

lifeless as I was expecting, even though it's a zombie game.

Aaron (47:24.942)
here's another, yeah, here's another good one. I guess this is kind of going the same route of like Exclusives that are similar to other exclusives. Have you ever played state of decay on? The first one I mean because I don't think I've ever touched the second one The first one was kind of cool very clunky, but pretty fucking cool

It was okay. Yeah.

Gerry (47:54.126)
Now the the kind of This the trick question to all of this sir is like we didn't add in Because we did Nintendo Xbox

Aaron (48:09.598)
or should we didn't add an Atari?

Gerry (48:14.498)
We didn't

because that is another option. Because if you think about it, at some point, the Steam Machine will come out. Like the whole thing on the internet of people being like, it's, you know what, it's not gonna come out now. It's never gonna come out. It's done. know, Valve actually just recently released that they ran out of memory to make Steam decks. So Steam decks are off the table now. So everybody's like, well, that's it.

We're done. We are done and that ship has sailed away. But I think people just need to chill.

Aaron (48:55.618)
They really do. Like one small announcement comes out and people are so quick to be like, yep, we're fucked. this is so fucked. we're so screwed.

Gerry (48:58.114)
Let valve cook a

Gerry (49:08.034)
You know, I actually seen a really interesting headline, like I think it must have been today, and it said, will Valve releasing the Steam machine eventually be the only company that has a console that is not cloud-based?

Because like I feel like a lot of other consoles could end up being like, yeah. So like all the games are just they're online. You just you don't own them. You just you pay us a service fee and you just get to play them. How's that sound?

feel like that's maybe the way that things are going to go. Because I mean, it's already almost there.

Aaron (49:51.018)
man.

Aaron (49:54.722)
Quick side convo.

Gerry (49:57.848)
fucking sighted up

Aaron (49:58.702)
I remember a couple of years back, this was back in the me and Tommy days, there was one point where he said that cloud gaming was the future. Rip Tommy. There was one point that cloud gaming was the future. Well, maybe he didn't say that, but

Gerry (50:13.848)
He's.

Aaron (50:21.714)
same time I was in you know the Metal Jesus rocks group on on Facebook yeah there was a guy in that group that was constantly constantly posting about how good Google Stadia is and how that no there's someone constantly posting in there like this is the future of gaming this is like this is what game this is like

Gerry (50:37.516)
Was it right?

Aaron (50:47.982)
It's all downhill from here because this is the pinnacle of gaming and Yeah, cuz like cloud game, I don't know it's it's stupid people Tommy and that guy. I don't know what you were thinking cuz no, that's not that's not the future Stadia died. I don't know how Amazon Luna is still out and doing what the fuck it does with cloud gaming like no, it's

Gerry (50:55.01)
the Google stadium.

Gerry (51:15.946)
I say, you know what, resurrect the Uyghur.

Aaron (51:17.806)
dude. What was the Tommy Tallarico thing? The Intellivision or whatever?

Gerry (51:24.462)
yeah! my god. Just, yeah. Just not good. Not good at all.

Gerry (51:40.632)
You know what else, You know what fucking else? I wish to God that...

Epic Game Store would just go away.

Aaron (51:54.498)
Dude... I don't wa-

Gerry (51:55.906)
Want to play your games on the goddamn epic game store, dude, even you know, what's really funny is I thought I seen There was like a bunch of companies. Maybe we did we talk about this last time. I can't remember Maybe I just talked about with somebody else. Yeah, don't when When games go on for free on epic they see a boost in game sales on Steam

Gerry (52:23.982)
Like if the game is free on Epic, as an example, during Christmas, Epic does their free game giveaway every day, and you have that day to claim the free game. Which, over the last few years, that has increased my Epic Game Store library by a few hundred. I have a lot in Epic Game Store, and I never want to fucking play it.

Because I just couldn't be bothered to turn on epic and like low.

Aaron (52:58.638)
The Amazon store like when they gave away all those fucking games all the time like dude Just fucking give me the prime sub to give to thrack and keep your fucking games, dude. I don't give a shit

Gerry (53:12.526)
I know like it's I it's it's so stupid, but Yeah, like I guess Certain developers have said like when their game goes free on epic It's usually like fairly discounted on steam and people would rather buy the fucking game on steam And have it for free on epic. That's what I'm trying to say And I've done that I have done it

Aaron (53:39.662)
Fucked epic. yeah, that's Yeah, it doesn't make fucking any sense cuz like a steam has been around since God since I was in high school. I it's dude like 2009 2010

Gerry (53:55.022)
nine? Yeah, I want to say it was like 2009 or something.

Aaron (53:59.104)
I don't know what Epic Games thought they were gonna do by introducing a brand new like PC game store this late in the game but like peep what

Gerry (54:09.39)
The storefront. Steam is a digital distribution service and storefront developed by Valve launched in September. Let's play the game. September of.

Aaron (54:24.526)
2000 ffffuck it, 2008

Gerry (54:31.246)
2003!

Aaron (54:34.806)
Wha- huh?

Gerry (54:36.366)

Aaron (54:38.862)
2003 holy shit, okay Three I'm doubling down on what I'm what I'm trying to say about epic games I don't know what the fuck you think you're doing making your own game store this late in the fucking game when yeah steam has been around for Good god 20 years, man

Gerry (55:02.38)
Not to simp over giant companies, because Valve is a giant company, the same as all these other ones. They tend to do things, though, that are kind of like more good guy.

Aaron (55:12.268)
Honestly, yeah, their fucking refund policy is like the best. generous.

Gerry (55:16.654)
What every single fucking platform you have why because for the exact reason that I said earlier If I want to buy a brand new fucking game Apple when I buy Resident Evil 9 if that game just does not fucking work for some reason like if it comes out as a it's like it breaks the Internet as a bombshell doesn't work. It's like fucked up and it's like non playable

Aaron (55:31.79)
as an example.

Gerry (55:46.018)
then I will refund that game and I will get my money back without question. And that is exactly how every single platform that you buy digital games on should work. Every single one of them.

There's a quote from Gabe way back, I wanna say it was in 2012-ish, and it was along the lines of, somebody asked him, are you afraid of piracy? You have this digital store, are you afraid of piracy ruining that? And he said that he's not afraid of piracy because piracy only matters when you have a service that people don't wanna.

Like you know I gotta find the quote because it was really really good He said piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem

Gerry (56:46.272)
Meaning like, don't give people a good reason to want to pirate.

Aaron (56:47.768)
Good one, kid.

Gerry (56:53.922)
Just make your service super fucking good and people will buy. Like, I attest to this because I do shit like when Epic has a free game and I'm like, ooh, how much is it on Steam though? Because like, that's my, like, I would just rather have it there. Not to mention too, like, Steam or Valve has gone to great lengths to just

have I don't know like a better quality of life for the consumer in a lot of ways with refund policy being a huge one number two free online there's no you don't pay extra to play online there's no fee number three like the games are usually significantly cheaper like they go on sale that that is kind of

That's kind of gone by the wayside because I feel like a lot of times like there's like a developer sale on like Capcom or Konami or whatever these developers have like the developer sales. It's usually across the board on every platform these days. Like it's not as it's not as great like it was like biblical back in the in early days. Like it was insane. You'd be like I got this fucking game for five dollars. And it was like you couldn't understand how you would pay.

Aaron (58:15.607)
I know why.

Gerry (58:20.526)
$5 for a game that came out like six months like it just didn't make sense. Yeah, it was like you couldn't understand It's kind of I don't know it's shifted a little bit in the in the pricing thing one thing that I've been really enjoying lately is that They are making developers disclose what and how much of AI they've used

Aaron (58:41.566)
That's good. I like that.

Gerry (58:44.748)
So like in the about this game part on the steam page It'll say like the developers have noted that they used like there's just there's just like one stupid fucking game that keeps coming up on like my my socials like it's called like It's something to with grandpa like have you seen well, it looks like a ps1 game like ps2 game or something It's like yeah, and it's got like the dumbest theme song ever. It's like who's going to sleep with your wife

Like have you never have you not you got to this shit up. It's crazy. But yeah, like.

that developer.

Aaron (59:25.902)
Is it just called grandpa? It's 67 cents.

Aaron (59:36.566)
Survival Horror Game

Gerry (59:39.272)
No, it's not. That's not the right one. This game that I'm talking about is like fucking Max Payne, but you play as like a grandpa.

Aaron (59:47.182)
I googled steam game grandpa and like that's the first one that came up was the 67 cent one

Gerry (59:56.014)
I think this one's a little bit more expensive, but the developer disclosed that They used AI To use like for like some of the the voice acting because they couldn't afford to like get voice actors So they just use it for like NPCs. So that's listed that's listed on the on the page I don't like that, but it's there like it's listed there as that right? I I need yeah

So the game is called Grandpa High on Retro.

Aaron (01:00:30.057)
yeah, was just looking at that.

Gerry (01:00:32.097)
Please, please God everybody go book this game. I don't know why. Yeah, dude. And it's like it's Max Payne, but like with a grandpa and the theme song is ridiculous. Like, I'm not kidding. The lyrics to that song are who is going to sleep with your wife grandpa? Like that's the first like and like every time this pops up on like my TikToks or my reels or my like

Anything it's always like as soon as it flicks over is like who's going to sleep with your wife? And I'm like, holy fuck. Yeah, it does look I Might I might buy it but Yeah, so anyways, I don't know where the fuck we're going with this book good guy valve, I guess

Aaron (01:01:05.858)
This looks cool.

Aaron (01:01:17.89)
Yeah, one thing I really like that steam has is the young the steam communities for different games or people can have their own walkthroughs and shit or like tips and tricks for how to get all the achievements or even just like the Being able to leave a fucking review for a game like you literally can't do that on the Nintendo store They had it they had it years ago. They had reviews up on the Nintendo store

for like two days and then they were like, no, we actually don't want that up. We're going to take that down. damn, I miss me verse so much, but just

Gerry (01:01:52.822)
meet our IP to meet

drawn porn.

Aaron (01:01:59.15)
Um, but yes, I also like the, um, the steam trading cards and shit. Cause like they don't fucking matter whatsoever, but I love getting a card for like getting it for just picking something up in a game. It'll be like, Oh, you've got a card with a, the big titty goth GF or something like sweet man.

Gerry (01:02:21.198)
So, you know about the trading card thing, Like, know the life hack with the card.

Aaron (01:02:30.899)
because you can sell them?

Gerry (01:02:33.42)
Yeah, dude, I'll go like a year and then I'll just be like, yeah, let me see what cards I got. And the trick is you list the card because it tells you like what the like the current like going market prices. And like I've had like sometimes it's like three cents, five cents. Sometimes you get like 10 cents. Sometimes you get like 50 cents. And then like I have had some that were like a couple of that were like rare cards.

The trick is if it's safe, it's listed as 50 cents. You sell that bitch for 45. That's pretty You'll sell it instantly. there's been a few times where like I'll go and I'll just buy like like a $10 game because I just sold a bunch of steam cards.

Aaron (01:03:15.348)
This has given me super flashbacks to okay so on 360

Gerry (01:03:21.91)
Welcome back to Supergirl Super-

Aaron (01:03:23.422)
Dude so there was this game on the 360 called I think it was like thing is called air mech arena it was this like this like mech shooter MOBA game and Fuck I don't remember what I did. I got like just a shit ton of skins for Whatever reason I think I just like paid real money

And like rolled for some skins and I got like two really good ones And I traded or no I sold them on the games marketplace I like I basically just like upsold them like I sold them for double what I paid for them but like in the in-game currency and for the longest time I was just like making money off of that shit like just rolling for fucking stupidly rare

skins using the money I made from those first two that I happened to get in that dumb game. don't remember exactly how it works, but that's cool. I was winning there for a little bit in life and then it petered off.

Aaron (01:04:37.422)
Peter it off. Peter also. Yeah. fuck. What was I just going to say? the the ability to customize your profile on Steam. That's cool too. So you can get like slime all around your picture like I do or like.

Gerry (01:04:57.044)
You can also just like put any picture there.

Aaron (01:04:59.736)
them. And then you have like the cool backgrounds. Yeah, didn't you? What was mine used to be? Super Monkey Ball II and a cowboy hat? Or maybe it's that now. I forget. I don't know.

Gerry (01:05:02.456)
My profile picture's guts.

Gerry (01:05:16.056)
think that's the now. I mean, in brighter news, we've been playing, we played some of that yap yap together. But we'll talk more about that when the other two are on because it's a ton of fun and I want them to be part of that conversation.

Gerry (01:05:48.93)
I have an announcement to make.

Aaron (01:05:52.213)
ooooh, going on strike?

Gerry (01:05:56.622)
No, but there's something that has taunted me for a very, very long time. Something that I've been dying to get beat.

Aaron (01:06:15.223)
Okami?

Gerry (01:06:18.752)
I finally beat Super Meat Boy.

Aaron (01:06:21.71)
Damn. Damn. How sweaty were your palms afterwards?

Aaron (01:06:30.22)
and or pits.

Gerry (01:06:33.599)
Everything. Every crevice of my body was sweating. There's a lot of crevice.

Aaron (01:06:38.943)
I was wet everywhere after that game.

Gerry (01:06:42.926)
Yes, sir. me and my buddy, we usually like to do what we call controller passer games. So games like Mega Man work really well. Super Meat Boy worked really well too, because it's like kind of level for level. What ended up happening for the very last level of Super Meat Boy was, so I don't know if you're not familiar with Super Meat Boy, Jesus Christ.

I don't even like saying that familiarize yourself with super meat boy, please It's a it's a fantastic platform where it's But it's it's it's a very rewarding game it's a good platformer The way that we were playing it controller passing the last level is like you have to go

the full length of this level, and you have Dr. Fetus chasing you, shooting shit at you. And there's also a moving wall of saws that's moving across the screen that you have to stay in the middle of it the whole time. It's quite difficult. Once you get to the other end, then you pick up the chick that you've been trying to save. Then you gotta go the whole way back through the level backwards.

Aaron (01:08:09.545)
love

Gerry (01:08:09.698)
Luckily, there's a checkpoint after you get to the halfway point. And then you're able to, but what's funny is the way that we beat it was I could not beat that first part. I couldn't get through it. So he got through that part and then I beat the last part going, because he couldn't, he couldn't like, it's weird. Cause like that game is so precise, but it feels so floaty.

Aaron (01:08:27.042)
So.

Gerry (01:08:36.748)
Like it doesn't feel, when you pick Super Meat Boy up and you start to play, you're like, this doesn't feel right at all. This feels bad. But the more you play it, the more it starts to kind of like click. yeah, finally, finally got a Super Meat Boy abate, abate that game. And Greg, if you're listening, you're welcome for that song.

Aaron (01:09:00.715)
I'm sure he'll be listening. Beth, not so much. He'll be listening.

Gerry (01:09:05.035)
Nope. She doesn't listen to podcasts.

Aaron (01:09:07.286)
I, my, my oldest and I, after, after he comes home from school, we've been playing plate up quite a bit. And that shit is just fucking so much fun. So it's like roguelike, overcooked, but, way less stressful because it doesn't have all the, I guess like the puzzle shit that, that overcooked has. Cause like overcooked, it'll be like, you're on a raft and it's

Constantly, you know bobbing back and forth. and then it's cut in half. So like You'll cook over here and then throw the food over there and that's where it goes out Played up is none of that. It's just you when you start to run you'll pick like There will be different I guess layouts for restaurants that you can pick so that you have like basically your dining area Your kitchen and then sometimes you'll have like a third room

either in between or somewhere else. And typically we'll have that as our like, dish washing room. Because when you start you'll have like your... Well I guess, what you have in your kitchen will depend on like what dish you start with. Because like, first you start off with just steaks. You know, you'll cook them rare. Yeah, you'll cook them rare, medium rare, well done. Which only psychopaths see well done steaks. That shit is nuts to me.

Then as you

Gerry (01:10:32.736)
Yeah, a well-done steak is like what if I've seen I've seen like like hosts that are taking people's menus Or like their orders. I mean, I've seen them literally like if someone's like I'll have my steak well done. They're like

Aaron (01:10:52.654)
You want me to pour some water on it afterwards so you can at least kind of do that shit?

Gerry (01:10:58.362)
If you order your steak well done, unsubscribe.

Aaron (01:11:02.894)
Yeah, as you play the game you'll unlock more dishes which will Like they'll require more ingredients or more steps and therefore kind of like increasing the difficulty of the game because yeah steak you literally just take it out of the fridge plop it on the grill until it's whatever done this the customer wants and then Plate it up and you're done later on you'll get Salads, which you'll need to chop the lettuce sometimes chopped tomatoes

And then like as you're going through a run like sometimes the game will be like you can have Extra dishes to add to your to your menu like with steaks you can add like a sauce to it You can have like a fucking ice cream bar if you want all sorts of shit Then you'll pick up just more shit as you go through your run as well too like you can you can unlock a dishwasher Because when you first start off you decide your sink and you have to hand wash your dishes, but you can just

You a dishwasher that fucking automates that shit. No more hand washing, god damn it. This is 2026. You can unlock like a mixer. It's just, it's a really fucking cool, roguelike, overcooked basically, but much less chill. Cause like, usually I'm the cook and then my oldest Tristan, he'll be the server. And then we'll both kind of like take turns washing dishes and you'll just lock into this flow state. Like,

Tristan will take an order and he'll be like, two apple salads, one coffee. And I'll be like, got it. And then I'll go chop shit, make the food, be like, all right, order up. And he'll go send it out, grab dishes from other tables, put them in the sink. I'll wash them real quick. He'll go take the order. And then it's just like a fucking well-oiled machine, man. It's so cool. can, I've never played it with three or four people though. I kind of want to see what that's like, but it's, it's good. It's like,

Gerry (01:12:55.278)
I think I own it somewhere.

Aaron (01:13:00.266)
I get fucking livid with overcooked and people aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing because like I don't know if anybody else does this with overcooked but like I'll have to What's the word? like I'll give people their roles I'll give them aids rolls. But yeah, like I'll have you you wash dishes and you cook and you run the orders out and if you

Gerry (01:13:19.604)
age.

Aaron (01:13:28.504)
fuck off for one second and you fuck up the entire fucking run because you're not doing the dirty dishes and you're trying to cook or do something else I will scream at you and make you feel bad

Gerry (01:13:40.46)
That is when you take two pieces of bread and you put it between your son's you put it on two sides of your son's face and you go what the fuck are you and then you make him say I'm

Aaron (01:13:52.19)
We, back in our old apartments, before my sister-in-law and brother-in-law had kids, they would come over like probably every other weekend and it'd be me, Cheyenne, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, we would all play over cooked and I would just fucking scream at my sister-in-law. I'd be like, why are you trying to fucking cook? First of all, get the fuck out of the way.

Second of all, go back to your goddamn sink and wash those. I would just, I would just get so fucking pissed and like nobody wants to play with me anymore. But that's not the case of Playdough.

Gerry (01:14:26.03)
That's what happened with, yeah, Karen refused to play anymore over Cook with me. Because of that. Because I yelled at her and said, don't you understand what the fuck the difference is between a tomato and a onion? And then she just quietly took the controller down and was like, I don't need this. And I was like, no, wait, come back. And she was like, I'm not playing.

Gerry (01:14:49.23)
And she's not wrong. There's no reason that I should have been so aggressive over a fucking cookie

Aaron (01:14:56.526)
Stay man, I

Gerry (01:14:59.02)
I've never in my life said anything remotely as nasty as that. I almost grabbed her face and was like, you not understand the fucking differences between a fucking tomato and a goddamn onion? Like I was grinding my teeth. It was crazy. I don't do that ever, but Overcooked brought that up.

Aaron (01:15:03.054)
You

Aaron (01:15:20.536)
I know that game absolutely brings out the worst in people but not played up man like like I said, you'll lock it once you What once you guys find like your roles and You have your setup perfect like you're the perfect setup in the kitchen perfect setup in the dining area And you fucking lock into that flow state, dude It's great. It's so good

telling you. You, me, Greg and Beth, we ought to play that, man. I feel like we could rock that shit. It's real fun. More fun than you think.

Gerry (01:15:56.27)
I so many things. I bought so many games and I have such a crazy backlog now and I have so many things.

Aaron (01:16:04.718)
I'm gonna let you know the secret. I'm I also my backlog is like scary It's mostly JRPGs and I don't want to play them But I also do I still need to play Xenoblade X and that shit is like a hundred hours long my man

Gerry (01:16:22.35)
Yeah, that's that's the thing what that I'm like Do I want to a hundred hour game right now? the last one that I did that was like that I think was Metaphor I think was the last one and that was that that that went on

Aaron (01:16:41.758)
Yeah. That was me with brother-ship.

Gerry (01:16:45.442)
did. God. I did see this is pure speculation, by the way. So don't quote me on this. Go ahead and quote me. Clip it even. Apparently, Resident Evil nine is going to be like 40 hours long.

Aaron (01:17:07.406)
Holy shit.

Gerry (01:17:10.156)
Which, you know what? If it's 20 hours for Grace, 20 hours for me. Yes, please. Give me all of them. So we basically get Resident Evil 7 and Resident Evil 4 double feature. Yes. I will gladly invest my time in that game. Are you getting that game?

Aaron (01:17:20.718)
It's not bad.

Aaron (01:17:34.846)
Yeah, I'm getting it for sure That's what the fuck is that game again, Tokyo scramble? I saw that just came out and I've never been like Like I just got a an email about it earlier today. I was like I I'm curious man. I

Gerry (01:17:54.402)
You know what else is cool, but I haven't had the time to really play again. Like I just, was like, yep, this add that to the cart and get this thing and check this out and pre-order this thing and pre-order that thing. And I completely forgot that it came out until someone was like, Hey, this game is out now. was like, what the fuck? And I got it. Romeo's a dead man.

Aaron (01:18:15.618)
Damn it.

Gerry (01:18:16.654)
Dude is cool as

Aaron (01:18:18.872)
Fuckin'

Gerry (01:18:21.748)
I can't really say a lot about it yet though because I'm very very early like I literally was like All right. I'm gonna stop playing because we I the way that my brain works. I Need to play the short games Good. want to get the short games out of the way like reanimal. I know reanimal is short which that's that's an That's another point of contention for me that it's so goddamn short and it's like not a very well priced game it's

Aaron (01:18:34.904)
That's good.

Gerry (01:18:52.226)
Much too high. think. us say? What they're... It's like $55.

Aaron (01:18:57.646)
How many hours do you think it is?

Gerry (01:19:00.962)
What, four and half? No.

I'm already like, I think I'm like two and a half hours in, two or three hours in, and like I've asked people and they're like, yeah, you're almost done.

Aaron (01:19:14.594)
Is there any replay value to it? Like do you unlock new characters or like anything?

Gerry (01:19:19.424)
you can get some just masks that you can unlock and stuff like there's a little bit of replay value but like

I don't think there's very much.

Aaron (01:19:30.446)
That sucks ass man.

Gerry (01:19:33.87)
I'll tell you in about two seconds what that looks like and what it takes to be so how long to be is currently sitting at four and a half completionist is six and a half six and a half for completionist. Yeah, that's to get everything dude. Everything done is six and a half hours for 50 something dollars.

Aaron (01:19:47.342)
50 bucks

Aaron (01:19:54.186)
Noooo

Gerry (01:20:03.51)
Mind you, if it was a game that I was like, I don't know, like just completely floored by, if it was like inside, have you played it?

Aaron (01:20:11.892)
yeah.

Gerry (01:20:14.038)
If it was like that, or if it was like the first Little Nightmares or even the second Little Nightmares where I was just like, holy fuck. And like, it's good. It's not a bad game. It's still pretty crazy. But it's just kind of like, it's more of the same. And the set pieces are really the selling point of just like seeing how crazy shit can get. And it does get like, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to minimize the game saying that it's a bad game. It's just not as good.

as the original two, which that's fine too.

Aaron (01:20:47.022)
They were like 40 bucks when they came out, weren't they? They were less than...

Gerry (01:20:50.69)
I just think that these games, they're just a little bit too expensive really for what you're getting. Like if you take into comparison how much Silksong was, I get it. Like Silksong is developed on a completely different engine, might have a smaller team. There's a lot of variables that go into, I guess, pricing on games, but I don't know. just, it seems like a fairly big ask.

Aaron (01:21:17.964)
Yeah, I'm still kind of wincing at the $50 price tag for max six hours. Yeah, big another one, another one, please.

Thank you, thank you. One short game I've been trying to knock out for the Superpod Game Club this month, it's Chex Quest and I bought the HD version on, fuck was it Switch or Steam? No, it's free on Steam. Chex Quest.

Gerry (01:21:34.987)
I'm Marley.

Gerry (01:21:53.166)
Which can.

Aaron (01:21:57.708)
Yeah, for the super pod game club. They voted we're playing it. So yeah, I'm playing through that And it's it's not bad. It's just doom but checks

Gerry (01:22:08.43)
.

Aaron (01:22:11.084)
And it's only like five stages and they're all like maybe 10 minutes long. So.

Pretty short. Pretty short. Yeah, it's not terrible, but it's a game. It is a game.

Gerry (01:22:27.606)
Yeah Yeah, I'm trying to like I'm almost done reanimal that'll be the next thing that I that I clue up I Really really really really want to play high on life, too I'll probably keep trucking along and just

Aaron (01:22:44.266)
Question for you about high on life. Is it too late to just have it refunded on Steam and then you go play it go dust off the PlayStation?

Gerry (01:22:53.972)
I know I It doesn't it's it's bad on everything though, so now

Aaron (01:23:01.322)
Okay. that's fucked.

Gerry (01:23:04.75)
The performance is bad everywhere. Plus, I only have a PS5 regular ass.

Aaron (01:23:11.444)
It'll still run fine

Don't give me that face, it'll be fine.

Gerry (01:23:21.742)
no, if anything, would, I kind of, it's part of me that kind of just wants to go get out and get a PS five. But then I won't. I shouldn't, you should never encourage that because it's, it would be a waste of money. the same way that I almost feel like my switch to was a waste of money at this point.

Gerry (01:23:48.526)
I guess I just I don't there's nothing I don't know the last time that I well I do know the last time that I played my switch to

Mm-hmm. Yeah, my switch to got played last when I finished with anger Metroid Prime 4 and I as soon as I seen those credits like I didn't even watch the credits I seen staff and and I like Didn't know I just went to the home screen uninstall Remove from home screen get it the fuck out of here. Want my money back and I'll never get it

Aaron (01:24:12.59)
I'm Carter.

Gerry (01:24:26.604)
And I'll never get that time back either that I wasted playing a piece of shit.

Aaron (01:24:31.118)
But yeah, but I mean, guess at the same time, the time that you put in kind of like that helped you to learn how big of a piece of shit it is. Like you wouldn't have really known that unless you had played it. So I mean, I don't know. Sure.

Gerry (01:24:47.042)
Sure I could have. I could have could have pirated the game and played it on a Switch One emulator on a PC.

Gerry (01:24:56.406)
Mm-hmm. I should have done that because then I would have been like, this is bad. I'm not paying for this So I'm gonna skip That's the thing like at the very least like every game should have a demo.

Aaron (01:25:12.078)
They can't do much with a demo

Gerry (01:25:14.67)
Every big game should have like, you know, it can't be that hard to make a demo that is literally just the beginning of a game that allows you to play like an hour of the game or like 40 minutes or a half an hour, whatever of a game. And then it goes, hey, this will still save your progress. Do you want to the full game? That's what it should be like on console. Because none of these consoles are ever going to do like the steam. It's just not going to happen.

Aaron (01:25:42.69)
Yeah.

Gerry (01:25:45.282)
But at the very least, should be like a playable, like there should be a playable demo that it's like, well, PlayStation kind of calls them something else. it's like.

Aaron (01:25:56.777)
trailer.

Gerry (01:25:59.142)
No, no, that's no, it's like I can't remember what the name of it is, but it's it's part of like the PS plus plus plus plus extra plus thing and like the Platinum thing where like you can play a game for so long. game trials. That's what it is called game trials.

And you just you just play a game for like an hour and then you can either not play it anymore or you can buy it.

pretty cool. That's the way it or just fully refund the game. Like, yeah, even is like, it's not like you can play and beat a game and then be like, ha ha, gotcha. And then get a refunded like there's stipulated

Aaron (01:26:34.446)
should be cool.

Aaron (01:26:47.732)
It was like played for an hour, I think max, right?

Gerry (01:26:52.322)
I think it's two hours. If you're over two hours and you can't refund it. think if you get like certain, I think there's certain games, like if you get so many achievements or like if you get certain achievements and they're like, no, you've played too much. You can't do it, man. But I've never, I've never not gotten a refund for a game that I've.

Aaron (01:27:14.878)
How many how many hours do you think you put in there? I guess how many hours did you put into Metroid Prime 4?

Aaron (01:27:26.136)
Cuz like

Gerry (01:27:27.404)
I don't know, 12 hours maybe.

Aaron (01:27:29.454)
Cause like, man, it's hard to...

I'm trying to think of like a good way for Nintendo and other companies to implement the whole Steam refund thing, but like in a way to where you can try out the game. like, yeah, like if I could get a refund for Brothership, I totally would. But because like the first

Gerry (01:27:55.064)
Did you know that you didn't like that game as early on as that?

Aaron (01:27:58.156)
That's the thing. the first five to ten hours I was like, fuck yeah, dude, let's fucking go. And then once I got to like 40 hours, I was like, dude, fucking come the fuck on. Please God, let this be done. And then yeah, with you with Metroid, like what?

Gerry (01:28:15.4)
so much for a Mario Luigi

Gerry (01:28:21.846)
I knew within a half an hour. was like, something doesn't feel right. As soon as I got to

Aaron (01:28:28.75)
Are you sure? Because like I feel I feel like the first the first time you talked about Metroid Prime 4 with us You said you had played it for like an hour and you were like all this is cool And then like the next episode when you got much further like a couple hours further you were like this this fucking blows

Gerry (01:28:49.742)
Yeah, you know what? You might be right because I think the first like the first place that you go to is like kind of vibrant looking and like it's I don't know. It's like Jung Lee and like you're kind of doing your thing. But once I started to clue in like how goddamn linear all the maps were. That's when I was like, something's not right here. This doesn't

Aaron (01:29:18.556)
Right

Gerry (01:29:19.202)
And I was like, also kind of hoping that there would be something to do in that desert. And there's just not anything to do in that desert other than drive into green crystals and collect them. Tory collection of green crystals, might I add?

Aaron (01:29:39.384)
They got some good clips on Instagram reels of people doing like flips on the motorcycle into a green crystal with Creed playing over it. That was pretty cool.

Gerry (01:29:50.2)
Yeah, that's literally one spot. That's one spot in the entire game that you do that.

Aaron (01:29:57.228)
Alright, yeah, fuck that. It's not. You need a refund. Yeah, it's not.

Gerry (01:30:00.92)
This isn't like a, look at this cool area that I just found and like, you can do some sick tricks. No, that was one spot.

How is it?

Gerry (01:30:15.458)
David James. Okay, let me get this out of the way first and foremost. As soon as we finished Super Meat Boy the other night, me and my buddy, we were inebriated. We had some beer. I had beer for the first time in a while, because I've been doing a little dry thing. We were cooking up a storm, you know? We were feeling pretty good. And he was like, you know, that was pretty fucking stressful. That Meat Boy.

Aaron (01:30:43.79)
beat that beat game.

Gerry (01:30:44.94)
Like yeah, I got a fucking game for you, dude Something that's been living on my switch for a long long time Let me tell you how fucking good

How do you feel about how a laboratory did?

Aaron (01:31:04.654)
Love me. Are you fucking Joe? I love how laboratory games Kirby fucking Kirby air writers anything how laboratory makes

Gerry (01:31:17.198)
So they make a game.

Aaron (01:31:19.554)
Is it part-time UFO? I'll... Explore

Gerry (01:31:24.468)
And there's a game called Box Boy and Box Girl for the Nintendo Switch. And it is a co-op game. And it is fantastic. it's so good as a co-op game. It was nice to be able to play a game where the stress was just like here. Like you're just like, wait, okay, wait, you do this and then I'll.

Jump on and do this and like half the time you're like it almost feels like you're breaking the level where you're like I don't know if this is how we're supposed to be doing this but we're doing it and it so to give context It's a puzzle platformer where you and a friend are these little squares and you can kind of generate more squares like Up down you can throw them like little cubes and stuff and it's just like trying to figure out how to get to the end of the level

And then you can collect these little crowns and stuff too as a little bonus, we usually try to go for. But there's something about it that was just so relaxing. Yeah, it was relaxing to just sit back and just kind of think about stuff. I've played games like this before, and people have been like, oh, dude.

Aaron (01:32:32.651)
Relaxing.

Aaron (01:32:44.024)
Dude, you gotta play fucking...

Gerry (01:32:46.414)
and trying two and trying six, seven. I'm like, I don't care. I've played them. They're okay. I don't mind them. like, there's something about this game, and maybe it's just because I'm a fucking, I don't know, I'm a fanboy of HAL Laboratory. But like, I don't know, it just has this charm to it. It's quick. It's just like boop, go into a level, boop, come out of a level. And it's got like worlds.

Aaron (01:32:48.878)
12.

Gerry (01:33:14.35)
The UI is like very nice and just like clean. I don't know, dude, something about it. Something about it, dude, was just so good. And we're not even through yet. I looked it up afterwards because I think we had played it for like maybe three hours or so. And I was like, I wonder how long this is. So I looked it up and it was like, I think it's like 12 hours or something, like 12 or 14 hours. Like it's longer than I was expecting it to be, which is fine because we're we're having a great time with it.

So if you're looking for something that's a co-op game, that's not too crazy and too demanding, I highly recommend you check out Boxboy and Boxgirl. Definitely check.

Aaron (01:33:52.554)
Hell yeah. I fuck it. I have the first three box boy games on my 3DS still. Box boy, box box boy. same. And wherever the fuck the second or the third one is called.

Gerry (01:34:03.124)
What was the third one called?

Aaron (01:34:05.174)
return of box boy I don't know box bride of Chuck or bride of box boy I'm a surprise Chuckie god damn it

Gerry (01:34:07.608)
Foxboy forever.

Gerry (01:34:14.794)
Boxboy goes to absence.

Aaron (01:34:17.006)
Box, box boy, box girl, skip Guantanamo Bay.

You know what fuck it my random rack it's another 3ds game well not another 3ds. Well. Yeah, whatever Persona Q shadow of the labyrinth. It's a cool fusion of persona and the Etrian Odyssey games which are like first-person dungeon crawling RPGs But it's good barf dude. It's awesome. It's got the cool persona like jazzy music in the background

You've got all your little characters from Personas 3 and 4. can... Each character has different... I guess different capabilities in combat. Like, of course, Kanji from 4. He's a beefier guy. He learns lightning magic. other characters are not, but you'll have your front row in combat of your beefier characters. You can take a hit. Your back row is your glass cannons.

and you'll go through, solve puzzles, avoid environmental hazards and shit, and you'll fight enemies, and it's just great to... So the characters will have their main personas that you'll have in three and four, of course, but then you can equip sub-personas, and you can kind of start to tinker with each character's moveset to try to make like...

this bitch in the back, make her your healer, this motherfucker in the back, make him your, I don't know, ranged mage, black mage character, whatever. I like that kind of shit where it really lets you, it lets you tinker and tweak each character's moveset as fine as possible to make them the best at whatever their role is supposed to be. Maybe not as...

Aaron (01:36:18.958)
fine-tuned as Etrian Odyssey, but yeah, it's just it's cool persona Q shadow of the labyrinth. It's old It's came out in like 2013. I think Goddamn, that's ten years old. Holy shit. I'm so old

I'm so old.

Gerry (01:36:40.874)
Yeah, and with that Let's let's get out of here. I got I got I got some dude Before we go I gotta tell you I just like I don't know what it is Karen and I get into like these grooves where like we'll get caught up on shows or like in this case We're not caught up on fallout. I just couldn't be bothered to keep watching it because I think it's not that good this season

Aaron (01:36:43.416)
You

Gerry (01:37:08.662)
So we're like kind of caught up on all this stuff. We watched Primate, that killer monkey movie the other night. That was a lot of fun.

Aaron (01:37:15.98)
You watch Animal Kingdom yet, god damn it? I wanna talk about that show with you, motherfucker.

Gerry (01:37:22.35)
we got 28 years later Bone Temple is just over there waiting for us. We're going to watch that probably this weekend. Yep. But usually what happens when we get to this point is we start watching trash TV. So just like some trashy ass reality fucking TV where it's just like, I know this is dog shit, but like it's just like turn the brain off completely and just

Aaron (01:37:44.32)
entertaining. I don't know. That's all that matters.

Gerry (01:37:51.766)
just lock in on the show and just be like, he's gonna get together with the guy. They're not gonna, but they're gonna like, they're gonna cast like, and we're watching Bailin Out Loud, which is the the the chick with two of the Torets and like OCD. She's sweetheart, like, she truly is like, like just a very fun girl who

Aaron (01:38:08.394)
she has like, layers of-

Gerry (01:38:21.706)
makes the best of her condition. And dude, the shit that this girl says though, some of her tics are in fucking insane. And I love it. I love it so much. Not to make fun of somebody, it's just like, even she will laugh. She'll get a new tic and she's like, my God. As an example, whenever she sees a bald person, she has to say, you're fucking bald. She has to it. So no matter what.

She could like they'll be driving down the street and she'll roll down the window and be like you're fucking

Aaron (01:38:54.638)
It's it's one of the like the hand crank ones to like she's trying to go as fast as she can

Gerry (01:38:59.15)
Yeah. that we're, we're like all in on that show now and like, I'm not opposed to watching 90 day fiance.

Aaron (01:39:07.896)
new my strange addiction is like much stranger do this last one we watched the new one last I'll make this brief the new one last night this bitch is addicted to snorting cleaning powder this one motherfucker there's this lady that is addicted to eating cat food like the canned cat food and she'll scoop it out with like her long nails and just like or like she'll eat it with chopsticks I was I was like

Gerry (01:39:10.912)
I floated that.

Gerry (01:39:45.64)
Yeah, and then I said and I was like

Aaron (01:39:49.957)
Bye!

Gerry (01:39:51.566)
Anyways, let's get the fuck out of here. Bye folks. Thanks so much for watching. Thanks for super ghost outside you can get all the shit there support the patreon two or four dollars or whatever it is in

Aaron (01:39:58.552)
Go to website.

Aaron (01:40:06.03)
248, that's it.

Gerry (01:40:08.366)
24248 go check it out.